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Dear Editor, good on you for your piece reminding us about the importance of public discourse.

Like you, I find Drs McCullough and Malone pretty credible (can one ever know for sure?). Though in these troubled times I often keep quiet about my explorations into non-mainstream narratives, even with some dear friends. 

I am relieved to read an acknowledgement in our local paper that censorship is eroding our civil rights.

But thank you most of all Hans Lovejoy, for your willingness to look at your own ‘intellectual tribalism’. As a member of the ‘thinking left’ tribe I am an environmentally aware feminist who is concerned about social justice and climate change. Good, sensible, people who believe in science – that’s us. 

However, nowadays, if I express concerns about, for example, mandatory vaccination, Big Pharma, government surveillance, vaccine injury, social media censorship, or dare to question medical orthodoxy –  I am suddenly a pariah (in fact, even writing this I fear hostility coming my way).

I have, in this polarised version of things, defected to another ‘tribe’ – an awful one! The deluded, misinformed, whacko,right-wing, Trump-ian, sexist, and racist loonies cohort of ‘conspiracy theorists’ and ‘anti-vaxxers’. 

What about the open space in between somewhere? How great it would be if we could all be curious and open to different perceptions, to get beyond us vs them labels, blame, and the illusion of certainty, of being ‘right’ – to welcome nuance, paradox, different versions of our stories. Challenging, but surely worthwhile. 

Jane Abercrombie, Mullumbimby 


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  1. Maybe Jane if associated with that right wing crowd you reassess your truth seeking. The ostracism is coming from that group. My daughter’s friend in Townsville a young Jewish woman was going to work and saw these people protesting with signs about vaccination and the holocaust complete with yellow stars. Intrigued she asked them about the meaning of this and was met with the response that the holocaust was fake news. So maybe a reassessment is needed from the garbage and ignorance coming from these groups.
    They are the ones who politicised the reality of Covid, the wearing of masks, public health orders to slow the spread, vaccinations ( in reality if unvaccinated more likely to end up in icu) and now falsehoods on vaccinating children( talk to an emergency or icu nurse on the heartbreaking effort in dealing with unvaccinated children).
    Become part of the solution by not acting as a possible victim but realise you have conned by these people who don’t accept the science of climate change which you seem to accept. Government surveillance suggests maybe you need to step back into reality.

    • Good on you Jane, I completely understand and respect your position.

      It is nothing short of amazing how normal, thoughtful people now resort to ridicule, labels and school yard name calling of other normal, thoughtful people who have chosen to sit on the side-lines of the worlds largest human experiment.

      Well actually, the jab free are part of the experiment, they are called the “control group” and in any drug trial worth its weight in science, you need a control group to form a proper base line for a complete and accurate trial study.

      We must remain empathetic however, the affect of fear is an extremely powerful emotion which drives many of the barbs thrown at the jab free.

      Once their fears subside (could take a while for some) then they might start to realise that the jab free and not a threat, most are normal, thoughtful people who are not anti-vax, not far left, not far right and certainly not loonies. They/we simply chose not to participate in this particular drug trial while there was, and still is many unknowns.

  2. “ It is nothing short of amazing how normal, thoughtful people now resort to ridicule, labels and school yard name calling of other normal…” Wasn’t that you fat shaming some Covid commentators? So empathetic!

    • Wow, so mentioning covid health advice from obese experts isn’t irony, it actually shames over-weight people?

      Ok, now I get it. My bad, sorry.

      I was wondering why nobody is discussing or reporting on the fact that if you are overweight, your chance of succumbing to Covid increases dramatically!

      I understand that when discussing health advice for covid, any mention of obesity has the potential to upset someone, but I didn’t realise that the risk of upsetting someone should be avoided and prioritised over proper health advice that might encourage larger people to loose some weight, to help them fight covid and improve their general health and wellbeing.

      I guess it’s less offensive to parrot the simple covid “health” advice narrative – get a jab into you and try some over the counter medications, pharma approved advice no less.

      Excerpt below from Centres for Disease Control and Prevention – Overweight & Obesity, Data & Statistics, Obesity & Covid-19
      > Obesity Worsens Outcomes from COVID-19
      > Adults with excess weight are at even greater risk during the COVID-19 pandemic:
      > Having obesity increases the risk of severe illness from COVID-19. People who are overweight may also be at increased risk.
      > Having obesity may triple the risk of hospitalization due to a COVID-19 infection.
      > Obesity is linked to impaired immune function.
      > Obesity decreases lung capacity and reserve and can make ventilation more difficult.
      > A study of COVID-19 cases suggests that risks of hospitalization, intensive care unit admission, invasive mechanical ventilation, and death are higher with increasing BMI. The increased risk for hospitalization or death was particularly pronounced in those under age 65.
      > More than 900,000 adult COVID-19 hospitalizations occurred in the United States between the beginning of the pandemic and November 18, 2020. Models estimate that 271,800 (30.2%) of these hospitalizations were attributed to obesity.
      > Children diagnosed with obesity may suffer worse outcomes from COVID-19. In a study of COVID-19 cases in patients aged 18 years and younger, having obesity was associated with a 3.07 times higher risk of hospitalization and a 1.42 times higher risk of severe illness (intensive care unit admission, invasive mechanical ventilation, or death) when hospitalized.

      • You didn’t really need to go to all that effort Steve – nothing I I have ever read or heard has suggested that obesity isn’t a comorbidity. Your little bit of smart arsery was hardly about making this point.

        I couldn’t really work out to whom you were referring. On the other hand you must be concerned about your mates Clive and George – even Craig.

        • Bummer, more name calling and labels just as Jane predicted.

          C’mon Liz. Let’s keep exchanges about the issues, proper discourse. It’s an easier path towards solutions and healing the division.

          • Moi? 😱

            Now don’t go all innocent, rainbows, peace and love on me Steve, when you are called out.

            What I was attempting to demonstrate was the improbability of a correlation (negative or positive) between BMI and authority to speak on matters of new viruses, vaccines and immunology.

            Besides, there are more direct, less snide, ways of saying that other things contribute to an immune response – and more respectful discourse – than repeating a child’s observation of body mass. What was it: (some/many/most? can’t remember) of those giving Covid advice take up the space normally required for two people? Totally respectful! 😇

          • I’d hate to dissuade you from your efforts though Steve; some of them are quite creative and fun – “laughing loutish larrikin” and “ dour churlish wokester” The alliteration was particularly good but the next one wasn’t as amusing. What about “whining, worried wokester”?

    • Yep. The thing that scares me most is the terrible divisiveness over these issues. It’s way more concerning than the ‘issues’ themselves, (worrisome though some of those are) ‘Fat-shaming’, any kind of shaming, self-righteousness, name-calling, polarization…Are we humans ever gonna get over all this crazy nonsense??? And recognize that 1. we have no real control over anything out there. 2. We are all in this together.

  3. Yep. The thing that scares me most is the terrible divisiveness over these issues. It’s way more concerning than the ‘issues’ themselves, (worrisome though some of those are) ‘Fat-shaming’, any kind of shaming, self-righteousness, name-calling, polarization…Are we humans ever gonna get over all this crazy nonsense??? And recognize that 1. we have no real control over anything out there. 2. We are all in this together.

  4. all it took was two years to turn each and everyone of us into a potential Threat for the last 2 decades it was brown people with beards and now its you and me welcome to the new war of terror.

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