PM Albanese at the Garma Festival (Echo 4/8/23) told Australians he would push for the call of the Uluru Statement in full – namely, grant Recognition, a Voice, and a Treaty. He said a ‘Yes’ vote would show what the referendum might look like.
‘Might look like!’ Either he’s not letting on what it will be, or he doesn’t know where it will lead! That’s scary enough to vote ‘No’ in the coming referendum – we don’t know where he’s taking us – we don’t know the implications of a ‘Yes’ vote.
By Aboriginal descendants wanting a treaty, it means they do not believe the land of their ancestors was conquered; indeed, they say this land is still theirs because no treaty was signed.
By and by, no treaty could have been signed in 1788 because as neither the British nor the natives knew each other’s language communication was impossible. Besides, the Sydney natives could not speak for the countless native nations said by Aboriginal descendants to have existed throughout the land. On that note, an Aboriginal spokesman that same day said it would take a very long time to negotiate a treaty because there are so many Aboriginal nations to negotiate with, and each one may want something different.
If we accept that there should be a Treaty we are accepting our Anglo-Saxon ancestors did not conquer this land but stole it, and that raises a right hell of a mess.
There cannot be, under our justice system, a law for Anglo-Saxons and another for Aboriginal descendants.
Our law is that if my watch was stolen, and the thief sold it to Bob, and he sold it to Peter, the watch is still rightfully mine because a thief cannot give good title to stolen goods – hence if this land was stolen our monarchs had no right to issue land grants and title deeds, and no right to allow for the formation of an Australian government – thus our titles to property are worthless, and we Anglo-Saxons even have no right to be here.
(A saving grace perhaps is that as our Aboriginal descendants some 50 years ago requested and were given Australian citizenship then by that act they acknowledged their ancestors were conquered, and have acknowledged governance).
Recognition in our constitution is unnecessary. Captain Philip wrote in his journals that natives were here in 1788, and our history books record so too. Pursuant to their court action we have given Aboriginal descendants ownership of nearly 50 per cent of Australia’s land mass, and rights over our minerals. What better recognition is needed?
Let’s value our Anglo-Saxon heritage. Sure, history has not always been noble, but if not for Anglo-Saxons we would still be rubbing sticks to make fire and living in bark shelters. Imagine! No electricity, no TV, no phones, no cars, no planes, no roads, no police force – nothing – but a puff of smoke awaiting another defenceless invasion.
They’re damn lucky us Anglo-Saxons beat Hitler and the Japs otherwise those two aggressors would be in possession of this land today with no hope of entertaining claims for Recognition, a Voice, and a Treaty. Rather, such agitators would likely be poisoned or go missing as is done in Russia today.
Just as we were not told 50 years ago that by allowing Aboriginals to be citizens of Australia it would give them access to our Anglo-Saxon court system to claim and be granted land rights and mineral rights we don’t know what this new constitutional change will end up being, but as the Aboriginals are represented by Australia’s largest law firm you can bet there’s mighty big money involved.
Don’t risk a right proper mess. Vote ‘No’, or be prepared to pay, at best, an occupational rent.
What a tortured argument! The anglo celts tried to exterminate and/or marginalise the first nations peoples. This was done so systematically that it has been hard for first nations peoples to assert their equal humanity. The constitution failed to recognise their prior existence here. Amends need to be made. Some strong first nations people have said a first step would be the voice. Let’s listen to them and get on with it, and with a sense of justice.
One Nation has been pushing for AustPost to be mandated as a community banking network. AustPost is privately owned, but the services it is allowed to provide, and the services it is required to provide, are still controlled by Aust Gov. The ultimate goal of One Nation is to have a free market in banking by changing the licensing rules. The AustPost route is the fastest, and most easily accomplished route they can think of, to get the ball rolling.
Are we voting on the relevance of One Nation too? About time.
Judging by your reply, you & Ian would have an excellent conversation locked in a room together
I was the victim of toddler attack. The comment is highly relevant to the other article I had open at the time. It got censored over there, yet approved here, yet I’m supposed to guess the publishing standards.
You could always just read your local rupert newspaper. Or is it because he’s put it behind a paywall?
Our local newspaper shutdown. The next town along lost their paper. The next major town along lost their paper. Who reads Newspapers anymore? Remember, Echonet Daily is a website, not a Newspaper.
The Aboriginals tried to exterminate the Anglo-Celts that were forced here at gun point. The Constitution failed to acknowledge that the settlers built this nation state and its infrastructure. The Constitution failed to acknowledge the Chinese who were here also. In fact the only mention of race or origin in it, was a provision allowing the states to continue giving special help, and exclusive rights to Aboriginals. We should remove that provision so that all race based laws become invalidated. Then you would have true equality, but that’s not what you people want.
“true equality”…. ever heard of closing the gap?
Equality would require us removing all the extra assistance Aboriginal people get, that everyone else doesn’t. I’m all for it.
Great concept of equality. Let’s take away your land, your laws and your traditional means of survival. Let’s make ourselves rich on said land then just leave you to it. Sink or swim!
“Extra assistance”, blinkered view there bordering on nonsensical. Extra assistance like trying to provide equal access to basic healthcare & education facilities ,& equal employment opportunities? Extra assistance like helping the most underprivileged, marginalised , mistreated & historically neglected groups in Australia. It’s both a societal & government responsibility to provide assistance to the needy.
Your version of “equality” could only possibly apply if everyone had an equal starting point.
Or in one of your favourite communist countries.
And what “extra assistance” exactly is it that you object to & would like to see removed?
What are you writing about: more fear mongering and no factual argument. Sure Tracy is part of the Uluṟu statement but the referendum is about voice not a body to create laws. It’s advisory with its structure decided by parliament: it is very little to give up not some back door to seize control. Look at all the handwringing associated with land rights: did you loose your backyard- no it was just a beat up. Truly Ian do some effort rather than listen to the extreme right wing rascists.
The Governor-General can’t make laws, he is only advisory. Make me the GG and see what happens!
Who, anywhere in this article of comments, has even mentioned the Governor-General?
Another crazy off-topic pointless comment
It would seem off-topic to someone that doesn’t understand our Government structure. Before you advocate changing that structure, maybe take a Civics class. Then you will understand such analogies.
No one is advocating a change in government structure, nor anything to do with the Governor-General. The referendum is about a Voice to Parliament recognised in the Constitution so future governments can’t nonchalantly abolish it. Before you start advocating nonsensical rubbish, maybe take some ethics, empathy & history classes. Then you will understand
Typical I’ll informed Christian comment – gg comment out of the ether.
So the GG is the King’s adviser to Parliament. The High Court could rule that a new advisory body to Parliament would, through Common Law custom, be implied to have the same, or similar powers, as the existing Adviser, if the Constitution does not explicitly limit its role. That’s a valid argument in Common Law, which is what the Constitution falls under. This will be brought up in our campaign closer to the vote.
The G-G is the kings representative, not an advisor, & has never had an advisory role. The government of the day advises the G-G. It is basically a ceremonial role, just as the King is the powerless figurehead of the UK government. Neither the G-G nor the king can override parliament. Another totally invalid 7 irrelevant argument, just more inventive scaremongering
The powers of the gg go beyond advice.
That’s my point. If the Voice represents the Aboriginals, and they are claiming to be equally or more sovereign than the king……
I’ll point out that my right to talk on here as I do without being arrested for it, was granted by the High Court, not the Parliament or Constitution.
I’m referring to the powers of the gg as expressed in the constitution which – unlike the extra Voice chapter – doesn’t state a role for Parliament to design and modify.
By name & nature perhaps?
No doubt you’re aware English Law at time of colonisation as transported, adopted & applied to this country required / requires Treaty with original inhabitants?
AND that Australia is the only former British colony without acknowledgement of it’s aboriginal peoples in their Constitution?
Land rights, Wik, Mabo didn’t affect you despite the nonsensical claims peddled by opponents of all of those
Typical right-wing, privileged, arrogant, white-man comment Ian. There are other people in this country who are seriously disadvantaged and do need a leg-up beside us “privileged Whites” you know Ian, it isn’t rocket science.
There are a lot of disadvantaged White people in this country, especially in rural and regional areas. There are also a lot of Middle Class Aboriginals doing better than you, Keith. Ian’s white cognitive privilege allows him to realise that when you say ‘leg-up’, you mean ‘hand-out’. You don’t empower people by handing them everything. That’s how you make someone dependent, and thus, controllable.
Mr Steinberg, it’s usually difficult to make any sense of your rambling “assumptions” but when I say something I always mean exactly what I say, and you have absolutely no idea about my “middle class” standing in this world, actually you seem to have no idea about anything you rave on about.
I promise I’m not intentionally talking over your head. It just happens. Maybe you should ask more questions, so I can step you through the bigger concepts.
Mr Steinberg, I’m sorry to be the one to have to tell you this, but you couldn’t step yourself through “the bigger concepts” if you had multiple steroid injections.
Good to see your name-calling is improving. I mean, if that’s all you have, then you should at least be good at it, right?
Please don’t offend the lefty’s, they have glass jaws and their sneaky little private agenda. Don’t they Albo. Come on, you can tell us.
Please explain what this agenda is? The only glass jaws seem to be the Tories and their name calling if they don’t know anything. Anyway what is this strange private agenda of the pm?
To make Australia into South Africa.
Pre or post apartheid?
I’m trying to turn Australia into pre-apartheid South Africa. They are trying to turn Australia into the happy rainbow nation, South Africa is today.
Thanks for clearing that up.