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I have chosen to receive a vaccination.

Others have chosen not to.

Unless we are living in some totalitarian state, that should be the end of the matter.

Both sides of politics are doing everything but holding a gun to our head if we don’t get vaccinated.

Please; anti-anti-vaxxers and anti-vaxxers, back off. Without kindness we have nothing.

The government has no right as to demand what people put into their bodies.

No one is denying there is a pandemic, and many have died and many will continue to die from natural causes every day.

Freedom means choice and we don’t need vested interest, dumb politicians or media celebrities telling us what we should do to our bodies.

Rod Murray, Ocean Shores

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  1. This is all good Rod, and I’m happy for people to make their own decision too. People who decide to have the vaccine take the decision that something new (not untested however but new) without the years of observations we have for other vaccines, is what’s best for them rather than live under the pall of a threatening pandemic. That’s me, and I have my eyes open with nothing ovine about me.

    Those who decide to wait or not get vaccinated ever need to accept the implications of their decisions as well. Looking around it’s been the general experience that most of the western world, because they have the resources, spent much of 2020 under stringent restrictions to attempt to save their health systems and avoid horrific death counts. The shackles are coming off but while there are still upticks in infections there are fewer deaths and hospitalisations where the effects of vaccines are present.

    The bottom line is, with more infectious and virulent strains it seems hard to imagine liberties and tolerable levels of death and health care pressures coinciding without high levels of vaccination. Vaccine abstainers are therefore demanding access to freedoms that they wouldn’t be enjoying anyway. As Dan Andrews put it in response to the predictions of what will happen on opening at 80%: “I’m not going to keep the state locked down because some choose not to be vaccinated.”

    The strategy of gradually opening up, allowing only the fully vaccinated access to some higher risk settings, is an attempt to gain control of the pandemic. It is not meant to be discriminatory nor permanent, depending on what unfolds in the twists and turns of this novel virus.

    The trouble is Rod, there are plenty who DO deny there is a pandemic so there ends any rational discussion about the ethical and philosophical implications of the issue.

    • i suspect that the deniers are being deliberately disingenuous, and moving into the political realm. they probably should just be upfront about it, and stop wasting the rest of the communities time, who just want to make sure that others in the community stay safe and healthy.

  2. There absolutely should be freedom of choice as to whether to be vaccinated or not but with the choices we make there are often implicatiosn for others and in those instances society has a right to take those implications into account, in particular if there are negative implications for others. That’s why we don’t allow drink driving, for example, as drunk drivers can and do hurt others – one killed my brother by running over him on his bike. Anyone who chooses not be vacinnated needs to understand that they present an increased risk of transmitting Covid to others and hence they will rightfully forgo certain freedoms, such as attending an indoor cinema.

    You don’t have to put anything into your body, though I would wagrer that many making this argument have been willingly vaccinated against other diseases, but you do have to accept that if you don’t get vaccinated you will be precluded from certain activities becasuse you will be an unacceptable risk to others. Your choice.

    • I would also wager there is a good proportion of anti-vaxxers who have taken illicit substances made in an unsanitary environment with unknown chemicals added, bought from a complete stranger… L O L

  3. You have swallowed the fear Andrew.

    You do not need to fear others. You do not need to promote further fear and division.

    Comparisons to drink driving (a complete disregard to others) shows how misguided your fear. The fear is a danger to a cohesive community. Communities based on facts, inclusion and love.

    The jab offers no guarantee for anyone to climb on a high horse and say they are “safe” or “safer” than an individual who has chosen not to get the jab.

    You will learn in time , maybe your 8th jab, that the jabs do not stop transmission.

    Please stop pushing for division based on absolute fear mongering for a disease that has a 99+% survival rate (without jabs) for the majority.

    • The same old mantras pulled out in response to any reasoned discussion – “don’t live in fear! “ “Fear and division!”

      Fear is an extremely useful emotion – courtesy of evolution no doubt – that leads us to life and limb saving caution in every day reasoned decisions. That is useful fear and it doesn’t mean living your days joylessly obsessed or panicked. Fear of harming others is called moral consciousness. Irrational fear is believing there is a highly orchestrated international conspiracy to perpetrate evil on the world I’d call that paranoia.

      Division is the sort of talk that calls people brain-washed sheep and assumes a superior insight or ability to read the signs, or the science or whatever. It’s never being prepared to consider that the bulk of scientists are right – or not giving a stuff – and that my actions could endanger others.

      Individuals who do not catch the disease cannot transmit it. Do the vaccines offer protection against infection and serious disease? Look at the patterns close to home.

      With NSW double dose vaccination rates between 50-60%, a fair approximation at test and control groups, it’s timely to look at some vaccine- related figures.

      For the week ending September 4 the percentage of locally acquired cases were:

      Fully vaccinated, 4%
      Partially vaccinated, 25.6%
      None, 27.1%
      Under investigation, 43.3%

      Not that helpful with so many unknown but to august 28

      Fully vaccinated, 2.4%
      Partially vaccinated, 22.7%
      None, 62.6%
      Under investigation, 12.3%

      The rates of hospitalisation, hospitalised and in ICU and deaths from June 16 – September 4

      Fully vaccinated, 3.3%
      Partially vaccinated, 18.1%
      None, 58.4%
      Not stated, 20.2%

      Hospitalised and in ICU:
      Fully vaccinated, 1.8%
      Partially vaccinated, 15.9%
      None, 64.4%
      Not stated, 17.9%

      Fully vaccinated, 11.6%
      Partially vaccinated, 20.9%
      None, 60.5%
      Not stated, 7%

      Some other interesting figures:

      Rates of Covid19 infection by age group from June 16-September 4:

      0-9 years 363 per 100,000 cases
      10-19 years 486 per 100,000 cases
      20-29 years 547 per 100,000 cases
      30-39 years 413 per 100,000 cases
      40-49 years 325 per 100,000 cases
      50-59 years 274 per 100,000 cases
      60-69 years 165 per 100,000 cases
      70-7 9 years 108 per 100,000 cases
      80-89 years 121 per 100,000 cases
      90+ years 134 per 100,000 cases

      Given that the vaccination rollout started much earlier for aged care residents, then 70+ then 60+ age groups, together with the supply issues for Pfizer, do these figures perhaps have indications for the effects of the vaccines on infection rates?

      But I got these figures from the NSW health website and so they should probably be dismissed because we all know all those public servants are in league on the Great Re-set!

    • No Steve, I haven’t succumbed to fear but accepted the clear and irrefutable medical and scientific evidence. The vaccines are not simply about reducing (nor preventing) transmission but about reducing the severity of illness, the incidence of hospitalisation and death.

    • Where do they get that figure of 99% survivability. Obviously from sources like Twitter, Craig Kelly, Palmer, American republicans, Sky News, all reliable and trusted sources of information(sic)! How about researching factual, reliable sources or do you believe in the improbable conspiracy garbage Steve?

      • Are the follow factual, reliable enough sources for you Rod?

        Not sure why you would suggest data is conspiracy garbage, but ridicule appears to be the weapon of choice for many.

        Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS) Covid-19 Mortality
        John Hopkins University Corona Virus Research Centre
        WHO Coronavirus Dashboard
        Aust Govt Dept of Health – Health gov au Covid-19 deaths by age group and sex

        All the best to you.


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