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Signs claiming COVID can be spread through vaccination cause a stir in Mullum

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At least two Mullumbimby businesses have put up signs asking people who have received the COVID vaccine not to enter because they might ‘shed’ the virus onto others.

In a move which has reignited the vaccination debate in the town, the businesses are arguing that it is possible to spread COVID through receiving the vaccine.

‘If you have had the COVID-19 vaccine we ask that you not enter for two weeks or longer until any symptoms subside,’ one of the signs reportedly reads.

Image Daniel Roberts –Pixabay

One sign also states that the shedding of the virus in this way has emerged from ‘first hand accounts’ and that those who have been vaccinated are ‘inadvertently harming’ the health of the community.

The assertion that people can develop, shed or spread the virus through receiving the vaccine is strenuously denied by the NSW Health Department.

‘To get COVID-19 you must be exposed to a live COVID-19 virus,’ a spokesperson for NSW Health told Guardian Australia.

‘No COVID-19 vaccine currently approved for use in the world contains a live coronavirus.

‘Side effects following COVID-19 vaccination such as tiredness, headache, muscle aches and fever are common and expected, and are an indication that the immune system is responding to the vaccine.

‘These symptoms are not an indicator that you have an infection caused by the vaccine.’

The Northern NSW Health District has been contacted for comment.

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38 COMMENTS

  1. Disappointed your journos don’t get the issue with ‘shedding’ – it’s not the virus we’re concerned about shedding, it’s the spike protein the in vaccine we’re worried about transmitting. Do your research peeps!

    • Amen!! Totally agree. The spike protein in the injection is not the wild strain, it’s a synthetic version. Once a person has an injection their body becomes a spike protein making machine and the excess material is secreted out of peoples breath droplets, perspiration and touch. no one knows whether or not your body will ever STOP making these spike proteins, which is extremely concerning. These scientists are playing with fire, messing with Gods creation will only end badly for them and those that inject themselves with it.

  2. Totally fed up with these anti-vaxxer nutters – they are making this wonderful part of the world a national laughing stock. Not even worth trying to argue with them – there is absolutely not a skerrick of scientific evidence supporting this idea that vaccinated people can spread the disease – of course it is totally the reverse!

      • Its like the global warming argument. There is always some academic will deny what the other 99% of academics tell us. Because there is one wild card does not represent evidence which overturns the truth of the other 99%.
        The anti -vaxxer campaign will lead to death and serious lifetime injuries. How many people are you prepared to kill Polly.? You will of course deny responsibilty for this but then please explain how Israel , with nearly 70% vaccinated, now only gets single digit deaths per day and infections around 100 per day whereas before vaccination it was a hundred deaths and 10,000 infections per day. And no it wasn’t lockdowns it was directly due to mass vaccinations. How many hundred deaths would you like Polly? Maybe your own Polly?
        If the anti-vaxxers succeed in cutting vaccination numbers all the deaths and injuries will be attributable to your nasty, ill-informed, self-interested campaign. Disgusting!
        Be a resposible citizen, get vaccinated and encourage your friends to do the same.

      • I haven’t had time to read all the links you provide, but I’ve waded through the pfizer document you link to.
        Section 8 of the document defines how the study will be assessed. Quite reasonably, the medical/scientific world has decided that new drugs and vaccines should not be tested on pregnant women. Section 8.3.5.1 says essentially that if a female participant is found to be pregnant, or the partner of a male participant becomes pregnant, then it should be reported to Pfizer as an “Exposure during pregnancy”. Presumably these individuals (and their partners) will then be monitored even more carefully in case there are issues.

        There isn’t actually a section 8.2.5.2, because section 8.2.5 is too short to have sub-sections. It simply says that ‘when the study is finished, we’ll tell you how to proceed’, and from what I’ve heard through Coronacast and other similar news sources, in the vaccine trials this meant that they contacted all the people who received the placebo and offered them the genuine vaccine.

        If you’re actually referring to 8.3.5.2, this again is evidence of the high standards of caution that the trial uses. As with pregnancy, clinical trials don’t like to use breastfeeding mothers. All the document says if that if, during or after the trial, one of the participants is found to be breastfeeding, that the Pfizer should be notified, so they can keep an eye on it. Nothing sinister, this is just researchers being very, very cautious.

        In fact, rather than being evidence of terrible effects of the vaccine, this document appears to me to show how incredibly careful the vaccine companies have been to detect and avoid any possible problems. It makes me, personally, feel safer about getting vaccinated.

      • And as for Dr Fleming, he was convicted of health care fraud in 2009. This doesn’t necessarily mean he’s wrong about the medicine, but it certainly makes me treat anything he says with a certain scepticism…

        https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/omaha/press-releases/2009/om082009.htm

        Truth Unmasked, your fourth link, is just a collection of unsupported assertions by third-party non-scientists. If you want medical research explained to you, why not drop a line to Norman Swan of the ABC, or some other qualified person, rather than believe the opinion of a youtube blogger trying to get rich from their clicks.

        And the final link, greenmedinfo, is trying to sell alternative therapies. While life’s too short to wade through everything on their site, I did notice them throwing shade on VAERS,

        “the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS), which as of April 28th, 2021, lists a total of 85,926 reports of the vaccinated experiencing adverse effects, ranging from death to hundreds of other symptoms and life-threatening conditions.

        Moreover, VAERS is known to be highly ineffective in capturing the true extent of the actual number of vaccine adverse events”

        and they go on to say that its numbers are much lower than reality. In fact, the opposite is true. VAERS allows anyone to report any event, completely unverified, so that researchers can look for patterns and identify which reported events are really vaccine related. After all, if you get hit by a bus the day after being vaccinated, it could be reported to VAERS since it was an adverse event soon after being vaccinated, but it’s very hard to see how it was caused by the vaccine.

        A site that claims that VAERS is under-estimating adverse events can’t in my opinion be trusted.

        • Robin

          I was just compiling a similar list of comments regarding the “skerrick of science” that Polly posted, but you have done a great job.

          I’m a mathematician who has a PhD in a medical field and have done extensive research in finance/investments much of which related to the medical sector. I approach claims from both sides of the vaccine “debate” with an open mind and I’m always keen to see references that back up claims. Unfortunately the references cited by Martin, Polly and Hannah do not in any way support the actions of the 2 Mullum businesses referred to in the Echo article.

    • Thank you for this! Very helpful.
      Unfortunately some other people just prefer to live with their head in the sand. They forget the fact that this injection is one BIG experiment on the human race. Oh the joys of brain washing!!

  3. Thank you for calling out the rumour mongers. The anti-vax campaign is threatening all our lives and our health as well as the economy,

    On the other hand I do wonder if it would be better not to give any of these nutters the oxygen of publicisng their stupidities which just encourages other dullards not to be vaccinated.

  4. what a load of absolute shit.
    I simply cannot believe the ignorance of some people.
    WE had the vax in order to protect the community from COVID . Not spread it. Fools !

  5. Can you give us the names of these businesses so I can boycott them anyway. This is a very irresponsible thing for them to do.

    • They have every right to protect themselves from potential harm. It’s not irresponsible of them for using their brains and questioning the narrative. I appreciate the measures they’re taking to ensure their customer safety.

  6. I have heard from a reliable source recently that an insurance company is saying that “if you have let vaccinated people into your class ..you may not be covered for a related claim.”

    • I’d believe it! The government and manufacturers of the injections are NOT liable for damages, disfigurement or death as a result of being injected. So it makes TOTAL sense that insurance companies would be covering all based to take away liability for themselves too.

  7. The people of Australia and the globe have not been informed as to what they are expected to jab themselves with.

    IT IS NOT A VACCINE!!!

    It is experimental mRNA gene therapy.

    I am not anti-vaccine. I am anti-over-vaccination and certainly anti-test crash dummy therapy like this.

    A vaccine historically takes 7 – 14 years to develop and test. A vaccine works works to stimulate your natural immune system.

    No way I’m lining up for this !

  8. Covid – what Covid? I thought it was a hoax. No? Or just the flu? It’s all so confusing – can someone please give me some informative Insta or YouTube links?

  9. Lol let me guess “I read it on Facebook…”

    I bet the people on here posting links to random dodgy websites and quoting “first hand” anecdotal evidence were claiming COVID was a hoax when it first came out.

    Where are the QAnon conspiracies? Isn’t the vaccine turning us all into satanic paedophiles?

  10. In answer to Taflyn Jane Fiola. Your research , or what you did of it, is wrong. Here are the facts: The corona -like appearance of the virus cell is created by the so-called Spike Protein, used by the virus to recognise and invade susceptible host cells. The Spike protein is also among the proteins most strongly recognised by the human immune system, which is why current vaccines are designed to create a response against it. Therefore it stays in your system. You do not transmit it. Do some research which isn’t on social media

  11. That “at least two” businesses have these signs is concerning but we could look on the bright side. It seems that the vast majority of businesses in Mullumbimby are not so idiotic. We all know there is a lunatic fringe but let’s not give Mullum an undeserved reputation. I’m sure there are some very same people there

    • Idiotic to rule out what is unknown and untested.

      So now it’s fashionable to trust everything Govt and big pharma say.

      That would be very foolish and idiotic indeed.

  12. Haven’t ruled it out Steve, nor do I believe everything the Govt and “big pharma” say! Scepticism is a wonderful faculty.

    What I can’t understand is the absolute faith some people have in a narrative, gleaned from fringe non-peer-reviewed sources – simply it seems because it is seen as not mainstream. I think what is indeed fashionable is to discount qualified scientists, our whole systems of research and academia and harbour delusions that you’re smarter than the average sheep because you do so.

    Being “out there” and different from the prevailing view doesn’t make something right either. 🤔

    Cheers

  13. Here, you might like this reply from Linus Torvalds to an anti-vaxer on a Linux kernel topic thread “Quote
    From: Linus Torvalds
    Date: Thu Jun 10 2021 – 14:57:11 EST
    On Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 11:08 AM Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
    wrote:
    >
    > And I know *a lot* of people who will never take part in this generic
    > human experiment that basically creates a new humanoid race (people
    > who generate and exhaust the toxic spike proteine, whose gene sequence
    > doesn’t look quote natural). I’m one of them, as my whole family.

    Please keep your insane and technically incorrect anti-vax comments to yourself.

    You don’t know what you are talking about, you don’t know what mRNA
    is, and you’re spreading idiotic lies. Maybe you do so unwittingly,
    because of bad education. Maybe you do so because you’ve talked to
    “experts” or watched youtube videos by charlatans that don’t know what
    they are talking about.

    But dammit, regardless of where you have gotten your mis-information
    from, any Linux kernel discussion list isn’t going to have your
    idiotic drivel pass uncontested from me.

    Vaccines have saved the lives of literally tens of millions of people.

    Just for your edification in case you are actually willing to be
    educated: mRNA doesn’t change your genetic sequence in any way. It is
    the exact same intermediate – and temporary – kind of material that
    your cells generate internally all the time as part of your normal
    cell processes, and all that the mRNA vaccines do is to add a dose
    their own specialized sequence that then makes your normal cell
    machinery generate that spike protein so that your body learns how to
    recognize it.

    The half-life of mRNA is a few hours. Any injected mRNA will be all
    gone from your body in a day or two. It doesn’t change anything
    long-term, except for that natural “your body now knows how to
    recognize and fight off a new foreign protein” (which then tends to
    fade over time too, but lasts a lot longer than a few days). And yes,
    while your body learns to fight off that foreign material, you may
    feel like shit for a while. That’s normal, and it’s your natural
    response to your cells spending resources on learning how to deal with
    the new threat.

    And of the vaccines, the mRNA ones are the most modern, and the most
    targeted – exactly because they do *not* need to have any of the other
    genetic material that you traditionally have in a vaccine (ie no need
    for basically the whole – if weakened – bacterial or virus genetic
    material). So the mRNA vaccines actually have *less* of that foreign
    material in them than traditional vaccines do. And a *lot* less than
    the very real and actual COVID-19 virus that is spreading in your
    neighborhood.

    Honestly, anybody who has told you differently, and who has told you
    that it changes your genetic material, is simply uneducated. You need
    to stop believing the anti-vax lies, and you need to start protecting
    your family and the people around you. Get vaccinated.

    I think you are in Germany, and COVID-19 numbers are going down. It’s
    spreading a lot less these days, largely because people around you
    have started getting the vaccine – about half having gotten their
    first dose around you, and about a quarter being fully vaccinated. If
    you and your family are more protected these days, it’s because of all
    those other people who made the right choice, but it’s worth noting
    that as you see the disease numbers go down in your neighborhood,
    those diminishing numbers are going to predominantly be about people
    like you and your family.

    So don’t feel all warm and fuzzy about the fact that covid cases have
    dropped a lot around you. Yes, all those vaccinated people around you
    will protect you too, but if there is another wave, possibly due to a
    more transmissible version – you and your family will be at _much_
    higher risk than those vaccinated people because of your ignorance and
    mis-information.

    Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies.

    And if you insist on believing in the crazy conspiracy theories, at
    least SHUT THE HELL UP about it on Linux kernel discussion lists.

    Linus

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