Hundreds of rowdy and rhythmic protesters rallied on Thursday morning outside Council’s chambers in Mullum to call for a moratorium on the rollout of the latest 5G wireless technology.
Tashi Lhamo from the Stop 5G Northern Rivers NSW Facebook group told the lively crowd that the group has attracted over 1,700 members in five weeks.
She told the crowd it was great to see such a vocal and strong support and that ‘Silence is consent.’
‘5G is 50 to 100 times stronger in radiation than previous wireless… We are already being exposed to high levels…’, she said.
The aim of the group, she said, is to raise awareness of the impacts of 5G technology. ‘Do your own research,’ she said.
‘We call for a moratorium and independent safety testing. The main concerns are health safety and a lack of consultation from government agencies and the telcos’.
There is also a lack of peer reviewed studies, she added.
‘We call on Council, government, and telcos to apply the precautionary principle with rolling out new technologies such as this’.
The Australian Radiation Protection and Nuclear Safety Agency (ARPANSA) describes itself as the ‘Australian Government’s primary authority on radiation protection and nuclear safety’.
Lhamo told the crowd that the disclaimer on ARPANSA’s website absolves itself of responsibility for its advice.
ARPANSA’s online disclaimer reads, ‘This website is not a substitute for independent professional advice specific to your personal circumstances. Nothing contained in this site is intended to be used as medical advice and, in particular, it should not be used to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease in individual cases, nor should it be used for therapeutic purposes or as a substitute for your own health practitioner’s professional advice. ARPANSA does not accept any liability for any injury, loss or damage incurred by use of or reliance on the information provided on this website’.
While ARPANSA’s website concedes public ‘concerns of adverse health effects’ of 5G, ‘our understanding of the evidence of health effects and the need for more research have not changed.’
It continues, ’At exposure levels below the limits set within the ARPANSA safety standard, it is the assessment of ARPANSA and international organisations such as the World Health Organisation (WHO) and the International Commission on Non-Ionising Radiation (ICNIRP) that there is no established scientific evidence to support any adverse health effects from very low RF EME exposures to populations or individuals’.
WHO (https://bit.ly/2JWhVb8) say International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) has classified radiofrequency electromagnetic fields as possibly carcinogenic to humans (Group 2B), a category used when a causal association is considered credible, but when chance, bias or confounding cannot be ruled out with reasonable confidence.
If 5G was “50 to 100 times stronger” then 5G phone would either go flat 50 to 100 times quicker, or the battery would need 50 to 100 times the capacity.
Neither is the case, therefore “50 to 100 times the radiation is either an oversimplification, or plain wrong.
Similarly, if 5G were “50 to 100 times stronger” surely the towers would be farther apart than those for 3G/4G. Instead, 5G towers will need to be more numerous and much closer together because the signal is WEAKER.
I’m not claiming that 5G is completely safe (what is?), but people are using sloppy language and that is misleading.
Facts, facts, and only facts, please (and from reputable sources, not conspiracy-theory websites); none of this hysterical emotive fluff of no substance.
once again, that has nothing to do with each other. do your research.
Gordon, if you want facts, you need to talk facts yourself. You are making assumptions yourself by saying the battery will be go flat 50 -100 times faster, there is no logic there. So many towers are needed because the waves are shorter and cannot travel as far but they are more dense with higher radiation levels, heading towards xray frequency. There waves will be continuous and non escapable. If you want facts, do some reading but not from any site with telco interests. Happy researching and you will see the light.
Gordon, the signal is not weaker, it’s pulsed and more powerful, but the more powerful, the shorter the wave footprint, that’s why they will need more antennas throughout suburbs and cities to relay transmission . 3G and 4G broadcast longer waves but carry less data, those long waves dissipate and are not as dangerous as the 5 G mm microwaves, which will be sharply beamed and angled directly to users. Read up on it, it’s very interesting subject..
that has nothing to do with each other. do your research.
seems to be wrong Josh
I need answers for this ABC info.
IS it wrong or right?
I have read that 5G is still very safe
Which people have got brain damage from phones in Australia? %G is still below the danger spectrum I thought
Could Dr Karl be wrong? Is he a liar? Hes smarter than I will ever be thats for sure.
Is it a ploy to sell fake protective stickers for phones and scare people and kids?
Help…..I still dont know
Google Scholar is my preferred search engine.
https://scholar.google.com.au/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=5g+radiation+danger&btnG=
Not the google kids a lot seem to use 🙂
This page has many actual results
https://www.google.com/search?q=dr+karl+5g&rlz=1C1CHBD_en-GBAU748AU748&oq=dr+karl+5g&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i60j69i64.10215j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
5G uses millimeter “microwave” frequencies… Current 4G levels are 2.4 GHZ, whereas 5G will be able to reach levels of up to 65+ GHZ. Because these frequencies are so high, the distance between the frequencies uses shorter “millimeter” waves, which means that MORE towers are needed to keep these frequencies traveling on a millimeter basis.
This video explain how it works in simple terms:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESmIKsTOFto
ALSO>> in regards to the ABC and Dr Karl, — I don’t know if he is unaware of the significant amount of evidence showing very clearly that non-ionising radiation is harmful to humans and the planet… or maybe he is aware of it but is be getting paid to say otherwise???
READ THE SCIENCE BELOW:
Wi-Fi is an important threat to human health –
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0013935118300355?fbclid=IwAR1371AjcWC_0WJ1QLe33LkGGUNKIpcGOAehxEcTOgWzSs-OiFezIjIAivQ
Microwave frequency electromagnetic fields (EMFs) produce widespread neuropsychiatric effects including depression- https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0891061815000599
WiFi may interact with signaling pathways in the brain, causing irreversible damage
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20190418/WiFi-may-interact-with-signaling-pathways-in-the-brain-causing-irreversible-damage.aspx?fbclid=IwAR3faP5KJjEuqWac-SdPo9cQXg9OkjEl2mOy7KSktg-KDn0fqz1OhevS7s8
The correspondence of species disappeared from the Mt. Nardi-Mt. Matheson area of the World Heritage Site with the application of an increasing amount of electromagnetic technology designated as EMR and EMF.
https://ehtrust.org/wp-content/uploads/Mt-Nardi-Wildlife-Report-to-UNESCO-FINAL.pdf
MORE:
https://ehtrust.org/science/research-on-wireless-health-effects/
https://ehtrust.org/factsheet-need-know-5g-small-cells-science-policy-public-health/
Finally, here is a database of over 2,500 scientific articles measuring the effects of EMFs. The majority of these studies look at frequencies that are much lower than that of the proposed 5G frequency levels, the results of most studies shows that there are health effects:
https://n432.fmphost.com/fmi/webd#Research_Review_V4
Millimeter is 10-3
Micrometer is 10-6
Your entire argument therefore is invalidated by your complete lack of understanding of both scientific and mathematical principles.
There are in fact numerous studies on the saftey of millimeter waves.
One of these studies was done by the USAF when they attempted to weaponise mm waves when developing the ADS area denial system but found them to harmless to be effective, thus they made the move to microwaves which are 1000 times smaller.
It’s sad to see communities will be held back technologically because of the uneducated who have nothing better to do, one of the great flaws of democracy I guess.
Stop watching pseudo science on YouTube.
incorrect. strong rise in various illnesses, incl infertility; emf radiation impact on kids 5x higher than adults’ brains, and on pregnant mothers, it changes the DNA of the unborn, this is very uncool stuff.
the entire 5G industry has ZERO studies and says it wont wait for any.
there are many U.S. congressional hearings in which they have been GRILLED and these truths have come out. there are ZERO safety studies as you pretend.
major cities like brussels and several ones in switzerland which have SANE SCIENCE & CITIZEN RIGHTS literate litiziens and mayors, unlike what’s going on in ‘Australian politics and voting herds, who behave like illiterate peasants still or minions of monarchy – have banned 5G because it goes 50-100 times higher than the current safe emf exposure levels – WHICH WERE IMPOSED FOR GOOD REASONS in times that government still didnt fight against science but thrived on it.
the 5G towers can emit the DOUBLE powers than current MICROWAVE WEAPONS like the shrriff vehicle for crowd dispersion used in iraq – which makes you feel your skin is boiling – double! which can easily kill people in minutes and connected to the internet of things it knows exactly where people are.
Yes, ppl like u will want to use it on ACTIVISTS of every sort to eradicate ALL of them in minutes.
And criminal groups and hostile states can easily HACK into the system and for example KILL ALL SCIENTISTS of a country..
Decide if you want to be among morons or get a life.
My children are sensitive to 4g, and get tachycardia and migraines around towers and mb phones, thus the reason for living in a rural area without a mb signal. 5G has huge ramifications for us and there is no proof of safety. Great to see such a huge rally against this millimeter wave environmentally damaging radiation! Well done and I hope the Mullumbimby Council listen to the people.
nocebo
/nəˈsiːbəʊ/
noun
a detrimental effect on health produced by psychological or psychosomatic factors such as negative expectations of treatment or prognosis
It’s insulting to write off those of us who are clearly affected as just experiencing ‘nocebo’ or psychosomatic symptoms. I understand these phenomena well and this is not what is causing me to be unwell. For years I’ve been getting sick and never even considered it was from these technologies. Eventually I started to suspect a link because my chronic symptoms would disappear when I went off grid. Now I know for sure.
The work of Dr. Martin Pall is demonstrating non thermal impacts of low frequency wireless radiation and the impact on human health is widespread and significant.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/281261829_Microwave_frequency_electromagnetic_fields_EMFs_produce_widespread_neuropsychiatric_effects_including_depression
Electromagnetic hypersensitivity is a real illness.
It is an illness that is recognised and treated in many European (Switzerland & Austria) medical systems…
Please read the science below…
Wi-Fi is an important threat to human health –
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0013935118300355?fbclid=IwAR1371AjcWC_0WJ1QLe33LkGGUNKIpcGOAehxEcTOgWzSs-OiFezIjIAivQ
Microwave frequency electromagnetic fields (EMFs) produce widespread neuropsychiatric effects including depression- https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0891061815000599
WiFi may interact with signaling pathways in the brain, causing irreversible damage
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20190418/WiFi-may-interact-with-signaling-pathways-in-the-brain-causing-irreversible-damage.aspx?fbclid=IwAR3faP5KJjEuqWac-SdPo9cQXg9OkjEl2mOy7KSktg-KDn0fqz1OhevS7s8
In regard to the nocebo theory, I have spoken to a few people who believe that they are electrosensitive. One interesting factor that many have in common is that initially their health deteriorates with no diagnosed cause. Some months or years later, they discover an improvement when away from EMF sources.
what a misguided crowd, probably the same lot as anti vaxers. Unless someone can show me conclusive proof that 5G or vaccines are harmful to anyone I will happily use both and live a healthy long life. So many people around here believe what quacks and pseudo scientist tell them. Let sanity prevail.
Why should the powers that be prove conclusively that it is not harmful they are the ones insisting that it be rolled out without testing
I would prefer to see conclusive proof it is SAFE!
You can’t prove it’s safe. To do that you have to prove it doesn’t cause damage, ipso facto, you have to prove a negative. This cannot be done. It’s the premise on which our whole justice system rests. You must prove that someone is guilty, beyond reasonable doubt, or in this case, prove that this particular radiation has a meaningful detrimental impact on human health, and do so in controlled, measurable conditions. If such proof had been offered, then I imagine, in a litigious society such as ours, that 5g radiation would be banned pretty quickly.
WE’ve proven coal is bad for us, look how well that’s been going.
Thanks to the Echo for putting this out there,. Has anyone been consulted regarding the roll out of 5G
Should be proven to public that it is safe, and not by the corporation that’s rolling it out. They gave us DDT Indsulphane Organochlorines Thalidomide Asbestos Agent Orange it was all sanctioned by Gov Corps and Science. They also put mercury in your Mouth of which i was poisoned by. So i hope you understand why I’m saying this
Please have a watch at this clip that looks at both sides and makes things a lot clearer – https://youtu.be/Ag1hkv2Upww
Keep up the pressure people , this is fantastic news and proof that some are finally awakening to this 5G control grid they are attempting to put on us. 5G is incompatible to all biological life. We do not consent. Please let’s organise more vocal rallies in Brisbane and other cities. We must act now. Thank you to all who attended.
Demonstrate by all means, but please don’t include your chldren who have no idea what it is all about. Innocent children get used at all sorts of protests. I think it is wrong to subject them to the anger that fills the air at these rallies.
What marvellous example of mob rule and general ignorance. Mullum deserves better.
There is ample credible evidence for those who care to look that 5G is no more dangerous than the many other forms of radiation, some natural and some human-made, that surround us. In spite of which we somehow manage to live longer and healthier lives than our predecessors.
In any case, organisations that create devices that emit any sort of radiation are obliged to submit to tests to prove that they are not harmful.
It’s also very unlikely that 5G will come to Mullum any time soon. The frequencies used require line of sight between transmitter and receiver and our rolling green hills would require so many transmitters that it would be uneconomic.
I wonder if the protesters are going without modern medicine, air and road travel, and pretty much any device they use to keep in touch with the world? They all expose the user / traveller to approximately similar amounts of radiation.
For all those people in this comment thread who think that these protestors are “ignorant” “misguided” or experiencing “nocebo” effects from EMFs… Please READ THE SCIENCE that isn’t funded by the telcos (OR ABC).
There is substantial evidence showing that EMFs at levels such as those seen in 3G, 4G and wifi are detrimnetla to human health,…
Here are some places to start:
READ THE SCIENCE BELOW!!!
Wi-Fi is an important threat to human health –
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0013935118300355?fbclid=IwAR1371AjcWC_0WJ1QLe33LkGGUNKIpcGOAehxEcTOgWzSs-OiFezIjIAivQ
Microwave frequency electromagnetic fields (EMFs) produce widespread neuropsychiatric effects including depression- https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0891061815000599
The human skin as a sub-THz receiver – Does 5G pose a danger to it or not? – https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0013935118300331
Millimeter wave absorption in the nonhuman primate eye at 35 GHz and 94 GHz. – https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12075687
WiFi may interact with signaling pathways in the brain, causing irreversible damage
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20190418/WiFi-may-interact-with-signaling-pathways-in-the-brain-causing-irreversible-damage.aspx?fbclid=IwAR3faP5KJjEuqWac-SdPo9cQXg9OkjEl2mOy7KSktg-KDn0fqz1OhevS7s8
The correspondence of species disappeared from the Mt. Nardi-Mt. Matheson area of the World Heritage Site with the application of an increasing amount of electromagnetic technology designated as EMR and EMF.
https://ehtrust.org/wp-content/uploads/Mt-Nardi-Wildlife-Report-to-UNESCO-FINAL.pdf
https://ehtrust.org/science/research-on-wireless-health-effects/
https://ehtrust.org/factsheet-need-know-5g-small-cells-science-policy-public-health/
Here is a database of over 2,500 scientific articles measuring the effects of EMFs. The majority of these studies look at frequencies that are much lower than that of the proposed 5G frequency levels, the results of most studies shows that there are health effects:
https://n432.fmphost.com/fmi/webd#Research_Review_V4
I am from India. We are going to have 5G roll out in the next few years. I find the media and the general public quite tepid in their response. The lobbyists and press barons are quietly plotting their moves. I have made a few attempts on Facebook but to no avail. I think our population is too busy garnering to their daily needs than spending time and effort on such tech issues. It was inspiring to see the rally at Mullam garnering such a vociferous non political response.
Beyond 5G we have the world wide satelite internet being deployed right now by space x. Its most likely not about oposing the technologies but finding a framework for what are safe wavelengths ect to use then have them backed by science ect so as a community we know where technology is safe for out community and we will have a strong footing to opose larger orporations.
This is for people who are sitting on the fence about 5G, and who are looking for something detailed, authoritative, and independent about EMFs in general. In 1994, the CSIRO put out a lengthy report that acknowledged a growing body of evidence that health effects were being caused at low, ‘non-thermal’ levels. These findings were ignored during Australia’s standards-setting process in the late 1990s, and the author of this report – Dr. Stan Barnett – resigned from the committee because he felt that his role was redundant in the ARPANSA Radiation Health Committee whose chosen mission was to rubber-stamp the very lenient ICNIRP standards, that would have been impossible had his report been taken on board. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1KQ639Tc1Z9dzNyaVZZbFU3S0k/view?fbclid=IwAR23_voizXDVtS1inZMaZJOlMG_oQSN1qFqsSpZ9Td-1xTvmUcY1P53GAMA
Good ol mullum folk..big Corp always working to sell us more… from the safety of Monsanto’s round up etc etc..as if we aren’t getting enough speed on our devices as is
Who needs a bunch more devices hanging off poles at every block in the neighborhood..
The science is in!. It is obvious even4G has killed the brains of 97% of Mullumbimbeans. 5G should finish the rest off.
Ha waves are coming! The end is near for all of the humanity. The government will spy on us and control us with 5G! The waves are coming
Now that I’ve had a science lesson about the electro magnetic frequency spectrum and non-ionising radiation vs ionising radiation (Ultraviolet and higher), I’m feeling a lot more reassured about 5G. Dr Karl’s reassuring voice puts me at ease. As a science communicator, his job is to deliver the facts in an easy to understand way.
https://abcmedia.akamaized.net/rn/podcast/2019/06/gms_20190604.mp3
https://abcmedia.akamaized.net/rn/podcast/2019/06/gms_20190611.mp3
After hearing Dr Karl’s explanation, I know 5G is one less thing I need to worry about. Which is important because stress is a killer.
If you are still worried, spend more time in nature, it will reduce your stress and your exposure to EMFs. Just remember to leave your mobile phone in airplane mode, so it is not pinging the tower every few seconds and getting a flat battery.